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ElfHoney, I was getting a complex too! First Imladris, then the other blue site. But daydreaming about Fro is always good though!

Ariel, sent ya a PM.

It feels so good to be able to be off topic! Woo Hoo!

Guess I'll go see if the Squire is feeling better. Post October 6th Syndrome ye know.

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Morning Ladies! I need a hug! Or the Squire! Or both!

I have never before fallen asleep sitting at my desk at work. Did so this morning - did that nod-jerk head-wake up suddenly thing.

Suffice it to say I will be taking the afternoon offline and sleeping. Prolly a good idea for me anyways, as my emotional state is not good and has not been good for several days. In addition to the CoE mess, work has been really overwhelming, and my 7 year old (dog) is sick and is going in for a biopsy in 2 weeks, and I have a few other RL issues going on. Life for Rosie is pretty angsty right now.

Sorry to be so personally off topic but I am so glad I CAN be - here in this forum.

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Can we have this here on this page? He looks a little like I feel

No piccys for over a page is just wrong

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Thought we could use some favorite pictures today.

Fro's feeling melancholy over your RL problems, Rosie.

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Aw poor Rosie! Hope RL and your dog get better. {{{{hugs}}}}

Maybe Frodo needs to tuck you into bed so you'll sleep!

Cair wonders why she is so sleepy as well.

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Ele runs about hugging all the wanderers who have found their way home.

You know, I just realized that I actually feel happy coming here. I know I really am home.

Rosie, I feel your pain. I didn't get a wink of sleep last night. Someone tell me why I drank black tea at 10 pm. Anyhoo, since I couldn't sleep, I entertained a loooooooooooooong and delicious daydream (can you daydream at night? ) involving me and Frodo and me... and Frodo...

Elfhoney - I think I killed Imladris. I posted in a political thread for the first time just before it went down. I'll never do that again!

Goldie, post-slutting means the same here as there: posting to increase your count. You shouldn't have to, though; there are plenty of threads here where you can just pop in and say hello.

CINDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! So glad you're back! Stick around, would ya?

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elanorh walks in with a list of things to do:

1. Remember to say "Hello" to fellow Haremites who've appeared here at KD in the past 12 hours or so -- ((hugs)) for Madeleine, Elfhoney, DaisyBaggins, Merfy ( welcome!), CindySilver, and Cairi ....

2. Don't forget to welcome everyone to KD proper (if such a thing exists?! ) -- Goldie, don't worry 'bout post-slutting! That is -- it's not popular anywhere on the 'net I don't think, but there are so many good forums and threads here, that I'm sure you'll find plenty of places to settle in and will be up to your 'avatar' moment in no time. The same goes for everyone else, too.

3. Make sure you give Rosie a little chamomile tea (*herbal*) -- elanorh hands Rosie her cuppa tea. I'm glad some folks had sweet Frolijah dreams (or daydreams) last night. I didn't sleep well at *all* and of course this is another busy day at work wherein I'll not get home 'til 10pm or so tonight. Grrr.

4. Check the cheesecake levels and replenish as necessary. I think I had better head to the kitchen and get busy, looks like we've been rushing right through the cheesecake here! But first .....

5. *SWOOOOOOOON* Such lovely pics of our Squire .... I think someone needs to comfort him, he looks far too contemplative. *ahem*, p'raps Frodo would like to help make the next batch of cheesecakes??!!

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Was one of your strangers called Siena? She was a long-time lurker who came clean to me about her Harem lurkdom at TORC, of all places, where she knew me as Di of Long Cleeve.

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Actually, no - I don't recall the name of one of the women, but the other was named Mina - and she is quite nice. I have emailed her a couple of times.

Actually, I think we may have crossed paths over at Torc - I was ArielSol - though I haven't posted there in ages.

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Such lovely pics of our Squire .... I think someone needs to comfort him, he looks far too contemplative. *ahem*, p'raps Frodo would like to help make the next batch of cheesecakes??!!

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I think Fro likes that idea, elanorh!

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*Merf rubs her shoulders as she drinks some juice*

May I be off-topic the off-topicness?

By the way, I'm sure in my Harem newbie-ness, I will bring up stuff that has previously been discussed. I do not wish to bore you, so if/when I do this, please direct me to the old discussion.

In my wool-headed (no, not the WOT kind of wool-headed, the "I've got a cold" variety...LOL) state this morning in one of my classes, I was attempting to draw a parallel between Gyges Ring from Plato's Republic and all the Rings of Power. Due to the fact that most of my classmates were unfamiliar with Tolkien, I could only do a general comparison, and I couldn't strike at the heart of what I wanted to get at: Gyges vs. Frodo.

For those of you who aren't familar with Gyges, he acquires a ring of invisibility. He uses this to have an affair with a queen, kill off the King, and a bunch of other stuff. Glaucon, who tells the tale in Republic, uses it in favor of the argument that no one who could not be seen would bother being "just."

I just don't think this applies to Frodo, despite what happened to him at Mount Doom. At first, I thought maybe this was a Hobbit thing, but then there's Gollum (and to the tiniest extent, Bilbo, who technically stole the Ring, and technically used it to free prisoners and steal from Smaug, but it could be argued that he was doing the "right" thing) who killed to get the Ring, and was pretty miserable right from the start.

I think it would be a good guess to say that there is a Christian/Catholic message going on with Frodo (duh)...but are there other things? Does the fact that Frodo is given the Ring, instead of stealing or killing for it have anything to do with it?

(I apologize...I would like this to be more coherent, but I'm really not with it...LOL)

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Actually, no - I don't recall the name of one of the women, but the other was named Mina - and she is quite nice. I have emailed her a couple of times.
Actually, I think we may have crossed paths over at Torc - I was ArielSol - though I haven't posted there in ages.!
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I think it would be a good guess to say that there is a Christian/Catholic message going on with Frodo (duh)...but are there other things? Does the fact that Frodo is given the Ring, instead of stealing or killing for it have anything to do with it?

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Pretty good for not coherent, Merfy - BTW - I am very glad you are here - I LOVE your stories!

I think your point is spot on, and feel it is one of the clearer messages in the books - consider how conflicted Tolks always made Bilbo feel about his method of acquisition? I always thought 'finders, keepers' myself, but Tolks made a very strong point of Bilbo's dilemma and conflict over the riddle game/finding of the ring. I think that the fact that Frodo was GIVEN the ring was frightfully important to Tolks and that fact may have been part of reason Frodo alone was the only one worthy enough to dispose of the thing the way it should have been.

But there is also the message that no matter how noble, or how worthy, there is a terrible price to be paid in war - even those who are deserving of greater may never get their just reward.

Frodo deserves his harem - and I, for one, am very pleased to be here with him, and with all of you.



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Three Ding-dongs for Elven Kings under the sky
Seven Hostess cupcakes for the Dwarf-Lords in their halls of stone
Nine Twinkies for mortal men doomed to die
One Fruitcake for the Dark Lord on his dark throne...

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ROTFL!! That has to be one of the funniest things I've read in a loooong time!!
(And "Twinkies" is just such an inherently funny word! )

Ariel!! You posted Tongue-Action Fro!! :swoon: Hoo boy!

Carleenya, I've not seen the other Die Hard movies, and only saw the first one around my senior year in high school (about 3 years ago), but I remember thinking how cool Alan's was in that role. I've only seen "Robin Hood Prince of Thieves" in French (lol), so I have no idea about that! For me, it was Snape. And Colonel Brandon from "Sense & Sensibility." Oooh yeah.

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Ah, Merfy -- good post! While I haven't read Plato's Republic , so am not familiar with *that* part of the dichotomy --

I think that Tolkien's Catholicism definitely informed the way the characters were created as he wrote them -- in that he believed that humans were inherently good (though flawed) -- Glaucon's take that someone with a ring bequeathing powers of invisibility would not be 'just' in his/her use of the ring, is not necessarily true, in Tolkien's world .... although we know that Bilbo used his ring to disappear when he saw Lobelia coming his way, as well as aiding in 'jailbreaks' etc.

It's clear that intent mattered to Tolkien; Gollum *took* the ring, as did Isildur (both after slaying the previous 'owner') whereas Bilbo did find the ring (although later discovered it was Gollum's, and accidentally used it to win the riddle game; he stole by omission rather than killing for the ring). Frodo's intent with the ring was very different; he acted as a steward for it, not putting it on but keeping it 'safe' until he had to take it out of the Shire.

The difference, IMO, is that Tolkien believed that while flawed, elves/men/hobbits although they would struggle, would know (if good) what to do with the ring -- that is, Gandalf and Galadriel though tempted, resist; Boromir strives to resist, and repents; even Gollum feels remorse (well, Smeagol does anyway ) ..... The different dynamic which is more overt in Tolkien's work is the siren call of the ring via the Power it would bequeath, which doesn't sound as pronounced in the excerpt from Republic.

I'm just amazed that you were sitting in a gradschool class with people who *have not read Tolkien*?!! That's actually pretty amazing in my experience anyway.

Of course, the bottom line is that Frodo is an angel. Of impeccable moral fiber and true chivalry etc. etc.

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I'm sure in my Harem newbie-ness, I will bring up stuff that has previously been discussed. I do not wish to bore you, so if/when I do this, please direct me to the old discussion.

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Oh Merf Merf Merf... in your Harem newbie-ness you do not realize that there is no such thing as discussing something too much - particularly where Frodo is concerned. We don't care if it's been said before - by God say it again!

I agree - I think the fact that Frodo did not take the Ring himself but rather it was thrust upon him makes his situation much different. He never wanted it, he was never tempted to use it for his own purposes (until Mt. Doom, of course). Yes, his race had a lot to do with it, as hobbits aren't by nature power-hungry, but even so he was unique among hobbits. I think of his insistence on mercy for Gollum, for Saruman, for the enemies at Bywater. All the other hobbits are ready to lay the smackdown on any enemies of the Shire, but Frodo seems to have a more global perspective - there's more to Middle-earth than just the Shire. And there are principles more important than just preserving the Shire. Frodo knew he could have used the Ring to save the Shire, but he knew there was much more at stake.

Okay, now I'm just blathering. Does any of this have anything to do with your question?

Gads, I love that hobbit. Ele grabs Frodo and plants a long, deep kiss on the surprised hobbit - but he doesn't mind.

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If anyone has their books handy (mine are at home) - I need the text of Bilbo's song in Rivendell - the one that begins "I sit beside the fire and think..." for something I am working on. I am waiting for a call that I will need before I can finish something for work and decided it was a perfect time to get something else finished.

Anyone?

Ariel

Edit: Thanks a bunch, Ghyste - that was exactly what I needed!

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Merfy: I must join the ranks of those who haven't read Republic

Of course Frodo's method of receiving The Ring was important - if it wasn't Tolkien wouldn't have had both Gollum and Bilbo lie about it. It was fortunate that the ring came to just the right hobbit in the right way at exactly the right time. Mind you, ME was fortunate in all 3 of its Hobbit owners. Just think what little Gollum and Bilbo did with The Ring and then compare it with what Ted Sandyman or Lotho S-B would have got up to in the same position.

The invisibility thing is interesting - in most fiction the ability to turn invisible almost inevitably leads an individual to behave badly (if not wickedly). They have the ability to do absolutely anything and no-one would ever know. It would take a very special sort of person not to be tempted by that!

Mel: I know what Hostess Cupcakes and Twinkies are, and the One Fruitcake spent some time with my Grandmother, but what one earth are Ding Dongs

I was just trying to research an uncharacteristically easy Hellga question for the Trivia thread (which I still can't answer - would someone please go and put her out of her misery) when I got distracted by this:

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Ghyste (and others who have thankfully been spared tastes of Hostess Processed Dessert Food-like Objects), Ding Dongs are a sort of pseudo-chocolate cake-like object. With pseudo-chocolate frosting and pseudo-cream filling, if I can remember from last time I ate one. Fortunately my food cravings have not dropped to that level, though I was eyeing some chocolate brownies today...

Merfy, you know, I don't think I've read any discussions of Frodo and Plato's Republic! Though with three lost or abandoned threads and counting, going through the same topics is good! And I don't know about everyone else, but I've decided to blame memory loss on all those times hitting my head when swooning. Or ducking to get in the door of Bag End.

I haven't read any Plato either. But it sounds like Plato and Tolkien have pretty different ideas about what motivates people to behave... like in Plato's world, if you are not being watched you will automatically behave badly. I don't know. Something about that bothers me. Tolkien's got plenty of characters who can't resist the lure of power, but there are others who have the ability to do pretty terrible things and don't, not because somebody out there is watching but because it's the right thing to do. (I'm thinking of Gandalf, for instance, and Aragorn, as well as Frodo and Sam dealing with the Ring.) I don't think Tolkien's characters behave because Eru's watching and will hurt them if they don't... Eru's a pretty hands-off diety (and Manwe only kicks into gear when Gandalf needs the Eagle Express).

Mel

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man oh man, i love this thread

off topic is joyous

i don't know how off topic we are allowed to be, but i thought we might want to discuss the new extensively long TTT trailer as seen on the official website. i personally nearly DIED when i watched it, frodo swooning, music swooning, basically everything swooning.. and i was wondering how the rest of you responded. since i love you all so much.

i guess the following statement will be a spoiler to the trailer... if there even is such a thing:








at about minute 2:10 into the trailer, there's a great angsty Frodo shot that just makes me want to scream!! so i was wondering how you all felt about this.

and the "do you know the way to mordor" shot of his lusciousness too.

sigh.

i'm off to go watch the trailer on my computer for several more hours instead of working. heh.

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Well, I should've known to look for you all over here!
Is this where we're staying?

Hobmom is confused. and if we stay over here can I have my Lij Hugging thread here too? Nobodies been going there much either. Lij will feel abandoned!!!

Well here's some things I posted over at CE. I hope I'm not repeating anthing but some of the pics were new as of yesterday and I'm tacking in a bit of Lij news cause i don't know where else to put it rightnow.

Wow!!! Nobody posted these goodies here yet!!!!!!

Hobmom has a scoop for you...


!!TTT spoilers!!









GREAT pics from the UK TTT calender-



I LOVE this one. So angsty!!!! And oh, my word!!!! Look at his poor grubby shirt!!!!!!


AND this one!




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I found this quite interesting quote from Lij re:Franka .. oh and he says some things about TTT too.

":: A short interview from a German Magazine called BRAVO from Always and Forever:
Question: Hi Elijah, LOTR-TTT premieres on December 18th. What's new in that episode?
Elijah: If you've read the book you will remember Gollum. He guides Frodo and Sam to Mordor. It's a completely computer-animated creature. Really cool, I've just seen it for the first time on the screen.
Q: What other new characters are there?
EW: There's this guy called Grima Wormtongue. A real freak with ghoulish eyes. He can give you nightmares!
Q: During the summer you've re-shot some scenes in New Zealand. What was it like to team up with the crew again?
EW: It was like coming home to your family. Most of them are close friends to me anyway.
Q: German newspapers are